Truck trailer odd behavior (shaking, jumping, etc)

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Tut
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Truck trailer odd behavior (shaking, jumping, etc)

Post by Tut » Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:08 am

Hello,
I am currently tweaking the truck trailer preset after reading this post: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=124&p=762&hilit=trailer#p762
Sadly nothing seemed to resolve my issues. I kept running into more issues. I'm not sure why that is.
https://streamable.com/ie9qq9

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Re: Truck trailer odd behavior (shaking, jumping, etc)

Post by Tut » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:13 pm

It looks like I've been able to resolve the shakiness of the trailers when making very sharp turns, by fiddling with the stiffness value. A lower value (e.g 2000) caused it to start shaking a lot.

The suspension jumping (where the rear extra-wheel's were jumping half of their height into the air at higher speeds) seems to be resolved by increasing the Suspension Length value a bit but not too much. The only thing i'm missing is a less stiff suspension to not be so jerky on uneven terrain, but I'm definitely glad that the shaking issues are more or less resolved now.
Any advise is appreciated!

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Re: Truck trailer odd behavior (shaking, jumping, etc)

Post by Patrik Martin » Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:21 pm

Tut wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:13 pm
It looks like I've been able to resolve the shakiness of the trailers when making very sharp turns, by fiddling with the stiffness value. A lower value (e.g 2000) caused it to start shaking a lot.

The suspension jumping (where the rear extra-wheel's were jumping half of their height into the air at higher speeds) seems to be resolved by increasing the Suspension Length value a bit but not too much. The only thing i'm missing is a less stiff suspension to not be so jerky on uneven terrain, but I'm definitely glad that the shaking issues are more or less resolved now.
Any advise is appreciated!
Raise the Mass Multiplier to something like 10. That should solve the issue for you with the swaying trailer.
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Re: Truck trailer odd behavior (shaking, jumping, etc)

Post by Tut » Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:58 am

Thanks Patrick.

Increasing mass helped a lot. I have had a read here: https://craftanimations.com/manual/cds-tools/trailer/ and it looks like the trailer is set up accordingly. I'm getting some shaking when the trailer is moving, especially when reversing. I'm unsure what's causing it. It reminds me of games where there's low synch rate for trailers, causing them to lagg severely like in this case:
https://streamable.com/aiqdru

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Re: Truck trailer odd behavior (shaking, jumping, etc)

Post by Tut » Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:50 am

I'm sorry for double posting this much. I believe there's a forum setting which prevents users from editing after half an hour or so.

Anyway, here's one more shot of the shakiness. I have just made sure that all trailer wheels share same scale. The second trailer is a copy of the first. The front axle is trailer wheels, while the rear axle is extra wheels. The two trailers share identical settings. The truck and the trailers aren't identical in terms of mass and suspension, but I don't think that's a contributing factor.
https://streamable.com/00dy5r

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Re: Truck trailer odd behavior (shaking, jumping, etc)

Post by Tut » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:20 am

I have decided to disable suspension of both trailers. The scene is a highway without much change in level, so I don't think the trailer suspension is going to help that much anyway.

The issue seems to be occuring when I have multiple trailers. With just one trailer I haven't had any significant issues. I've also plugged in my new Xbox controller which works fine. I read some posts of people having bad experience, but I just had to pull it to the right instead of left when detecting the steering, and it configured correctly. Very impressive overall. :D

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Re: Truck trailer odd behavior (shaking, jumping, etc)

Post by Patrik Martin » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:30 pm

Hi Tut,

Can you please send me a scene were you are facing this issue so I can have a look at it?

Thanks
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Re: Truck trailer odd behavior (shaking, jumping, etc)

Post by Tut » Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:45 pm

Patrik Martin wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:30 pm
Hi Tut,

Can you please send me a scene were you are facing this issue so I can have a look at it?

Thanks
Thanks. I see about exporting it next week! :D

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Re: Truck trailer odd behavior (shaking, jumping, etc)

Post by Tut » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:25 pm

Patrik Martin wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:30 pm
Hi Tut,

Can you please send me a scene were you are facing this issue so I can have a look at it?

Thanks
Hey again, I have saved the scene to Max 2018 through 2021. I've simulated the truck and trailers to get the error to show (roughly 1000 frames). I've also exported the profiles for every asset in case it doesn't save with the Max scene.
https://mega.nz/file/D3Rk0SwA

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Re: Truck trailer odd behavior (shaking, jumping, etc)

Post by Patrik Martin » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:32 pm

Tut wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:25 pm
Patrik Martin wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:30 pm
Hi Tut,

Can you please send me a scene were you are facing this issue so I can have a look at it?

Thanks
Hey again, I have saved the scene to Max 2018 through 2021. I've simulated the truck and trailers to get the error to show (roughly 1000 frames). I've also exported the profiles for every asset in case it doesn't save with the Max scene.
https://mega.nz/file/D3Rk0SwA
Seems like there is a key required to be able to download. Are you to send this as a message or via email?
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Re: Truck trailer odd behavior (shaking, jumping, etc)

Post by Tut » Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:08 am

Patrik Martin wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:30 pm
Seems like there is a key required to be able to download. Are you to send this as a message or via email?
Thanks! I have sent a forum PM your way :D

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Re: Truck trailer odd behavior (shaking, jumping, etc)

Post by Patrik Martin » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:30 pm

We can confirm that we have found a shaking issue with the Trailer tool. It seems to be worse the more detailed the terrain the trailer is attached to is.
We are looking in to this problem asap and solve.
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Re: Truck trailer odd behavior (shaking, jumping, etc)

Post by Tut » Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:25 am

Patrik Martin wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:30 pm
We can confirm that we have found a shaking issue with the Trailer tool. It seems to be worse the more detailed the terrain the trailer is attached to is.
We are looking in to this problem asap and solve.
Thank you so much!! :lol:

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Re: Truck trailer odd behavior (shaking, jumping, etc)

Post by dv2000 » Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:05 am

Will there be a new update fixing this shakiness any time soon? Thanks

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Re: Truck trailer odd behavior (shaking, jumping, etc)

Post by Patrik Martin » Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:20 am

dv2000 wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:05 am
Will there be a new update fixing this shakiness any time soon? Thanks
We hope so to be able to ship a fix for this within 2 weeks.
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